A persona with more than nine attributes matched nobody in five of six real datasets. And the researchers who tested the method place it outside science.
A persona that carries more than nine attributes describes, statistically, nobody. That is not a rhetorical flourish. It was measured across six real customer survey datasets, and the result held in five of the six, including every consumer dataset.
The deeper problem was named earlier, in 2006, by two Microsoft researchers who set out to evaluate the method honestly:
“Personas cannot be adequately verified or falsified and therefore have no demonstrable validity.”
And their reasoning, which is hard to argue with:
“Because personas are admittedly fictional, it would seem that there is no way to falsify them; no data can disprove a fictional construction. Therefore, they are outside the scientific method and cannot be verified.”
They added, and nobody has contradicted it since: “To our knowledge, no critical tests have been proposed in the persona literature, nor is there an example where a persona was refuted by data.”
This article is about how to build something you could be wrong about instead. Which requires knowing what the research actually says about interviews, about attributes, and about what a room full of colleagues can and cannot produce.
The arithmetic that kills the workshop persona
Take a published persona of the kind every agency produces. The 2006 paper takes one from the literature, a small business owner, and counts at least 21 attributes: age, role, company size, budget, technical comfort, decision style, three pain points, and so on.
Under independence and generous base rates of one in two per attribute, the share of the population matching all 21 is 0.5 to the power of 21. That is 0.000048 percent, or roughly 134 people in the United States.
Their conclusion: “Without that data, one cannot know whether a persona represents a million people or zero.”
Two years later the same team put numbers on it properly. They took six real survey datasets collected for actual market segmentation work, ranging from 268 to 10,307 respondents, four American consumer surveys, one French consumer survey and one survey of IT administrators. They then generated 10,000 randomly constructed persona-like descriptions per dataset, sampling each attribute level at its observed prevalence so as not to stack the deck toward rare combinations.
The finding, verbatim:
“the 99th percentile level fails to match anyone when 9 or more attributes are combined in 5 out of 6 survey datasets, including all consumer datasets.”
Even in the one dataset where descriptions survived longer, only in the IT survey did the 99th percentile match “more than 0.3% of real respondents with 7 or more attributes.”
Their own honest limit is worth reproducing, because it is the strongest defense of personas anyone has offered: “it is possible that the method could be useful for inspirational purposes even if the information claims are wrong, i.e., even if personas do not actually describe people.”
That is a defensible use. It is just a completely different one from the use most companies think they are making.
The number everyone quotes is twelve. Its source is a 2006 study of 60 interviews with women in Nigeria and Ghana, on HIV risk among sex workers, where saturation occurred within the first twelve interviews.
Read the conditions the authors attach: a homogeneous corpus, one occupation, one gender, a narrow research objective, and thematic analysis by coding. They make no claim to generality.
What the field has established since:
A systematic review of 23 empirical tests of saturation, published in 2022, reports that studies reached saturation “within a narrow range of interviews (9-17)”, specifically for “relatively homogenous study populations and narrowly defined objectives”.
A 2017 study separated two things that get confused. Code saturation was reached at nine interviews, at which point the range of topics was known. Meaning saturation took 16 to 24. The authors put it well: code saturation indicates when researchers have “heard it all”, but meaning saturation is needed to “understand it all”.
Across multiple sites, the numbers multiply. A 2017 study across four sites found up to 16 interviews sufficed per site for local themes, but 20 to 40 per site were needed for themes that cut across sites.
And the uncomfortable one. A 2024 secondary analysis of five federally funded studies found that true saturation arrived only after 30 to 67 interviews, while what those authors call near saturation arrived at 15 to 23. On that reading, the famous twelve is near saturation, not saturation.
That last study contains a detail worth carrying. Studies with a tightly structured interview guide and deductive coding saturate faster. Which means saturation partly measures how closed your questions were, not how much the market had to tell you.
Two respected methodologists reject the concept altogether, arguing that judgments about when to stop “are inescapably situated and subjective, and cannot be determined (wholly) in advance of analysis”. The author of the original 2006 study now recommends abandoning the magic number in favor of three declared parameters: how many interviews form your base, how long a run without new information counts, and what threshold of new information you treat as meaningful.
The practical version: for one narrow segment, plan on the mid-teens, expect to keep going if the answers keep surprising you, and write down the rule you used to stop.
Why a workshop cannot produce what an interview produces
The persona built in a meeting fails for a reason that has been measured, and the measurement is clean.
In a randomized split-sample experiment after the 2008 election, people were asked what issue mattered most in their vote. Half got a closed question with five options. Half got the same question open-ended.
58 percent chose the economy when it was on the list.
35 percent volunteered it when it was not.
And 43 percent of the open-ended group gave an answer that appeared nowhere on the closed list, against 8 percent in the closed condition.
A workshop runs exclusively in closed mode. The team proposes plausible motivations and converges. It mechanically produces the 58 percent, never the 35 percent, and never the 43 percent of answers nobody in the room thought to list. That last group is the only content that would have justified doing research at all.
There is a second, harder problem, and it applies to interviews too if you ask the wrong question. A foundational 1977 paper argued that people have little or no direct introspective access to their own higher-order reasoning, and that when they explain their decisions they draw not on introspection but on plausible causal theories. A 2005 experiment in Science made it vivid: participants chose between faces, were secretly handed the face they had not chosen, failed to notice, and then confidently explained why they had chosen it. The authors named it choice blindness.
So asking a buyer “why did you choose this supplier” produces their theory of why, not the reason. Asking what happened, in order, with dates and names, produces something you can check.
And sensitive topics get edited. A 2007 review in Psychological Bulletin concluded that misreporting on sensitive topics is common and situational, and that respondents “edit the information they report to avoid embarrassing themselves in the presence of an interviewer”. In a business interview, “why did you leave your previous supplier” and “who actually decided” are both sensitive questions.
Size the segment with public data, not with a character sketch
The part of a persona that is genuinely knowable is the part nobody bothers to look up, and it is free.
The Census Bureau’s Statistics of U.S. Businesses gives firm counts, establishment counts, employment and payroll by employment size band, by industry code, by state and by county. The most recent annual tables cover reference year 2022 and were published in April 2025.
The national picture: 6,395,635 employer firms, 8,298,562 establishments, 135,748,407 employees.
Now the part that matters if you sell to mid-size companies. Firms employing 100 to 999 people number 103,741. That is 1.62 percent of all employer firms, and 18.8 percent of private employment, or 25,524,994 people.
By sector, at that same size band:
Sector
Firms
Employees
Health care and social assistance
20,260
4,718,066
Manufacturing
14,207
3,123,651
Accommodation and food services
10,823
2,414,244
Professional, scientific and technical services
10,460
2,134,934
Administrative and support services
10,224
2,276,492
Wholesale trade
8,927
1,477,843
Retail trade
8,574
1,479,617
Construction
7,881
1,584,398
Finance and insurance
4,562
1,085,857
Information
2,825
643,528
Two cautions so you use this correctly. The sector rows do not sum to the total, because a firm operating in several sectors is counted in each one where it has establishments. And Statistics of U.S. Businesses counts firms, while County Business Patterns counts establishments. If you sell to a plant, a branch or a store, you want the second file. Confusing the two is the classic market-sizing error.
The same file goes down to state and county. Manufacturers with 100 to 999 employees, by state: California 1,867, Texas 1,425, Ohio 1,217, Pennsylvania 1,056, Illinois 1,001, Michigan 988, Wisconsin 894.
That is a segment you can count, reach, and be wrong about. It is the opposite of a character with a stock photo. Checking whether you were wrong only works when the same definition runs through the positioning, the site and the campaigns, which is why we run the three as one system rather than as three briefs.
The buying committee number you should stop citing
While we are auditing inputs, one more.
The claim that a complex business purchase involves six to ten decision makers appears in thousands of marketing articles. It was published on its originator’s own page for years, worded exactly that way and attributed to one of its executives.
It never carried a methodology. The full page contains no sample size, no fieldwork date, no definition of what counts as a decision maker, and no link to an underlying report.
And it is gone. Comparing successive archived captures of that page, the sentence is present on 8 October 2023 and absent on 25 October 2023. The page still exists, still runs to about twenty thousand characters, and still discusses buying groups at length. Only the number was removed.
The measurement it derives from was 5.4 people, from a 2014 survey of more than 3,000 stakeholders. The commercial successor of that research now publishes a progression of 5.4, then 6.8, then 10.2, and most recently 11.2, on a study of 667 buyers of complex purchases. The original publisher’s current position, from a survey of 632 buyers conducted in August and September 2024, is that buying groups range “from five to 16 people across as many as four functions”, which is a range, not an average.
No public institution measures this. Every available figure comes from a commercial research firm, on a self-selected sample of enterprise software buyers, with the underlying report behind a client wall.
Count the segment before you describe anyone in it. Public data will tell you how many firms exist, where, at what size, with what payroll. If the segment is too small to matter, you have saved yourself the interviews.
Keep the description under a handful of attributes. Past nine, the research says you are describing nobody. Three or four that genuinely predict behavior beat twelve that make a nice slide.
Interview, and count the interviews honestly. Mid-teens for one narrow segment, more if answers keep surprising you, 20 to 40 per site if the segment spans several markets. Write down the rule you used to stop.
Ask what happened, not why. Sequence, dates, who was in the room, what was tried first, what the alternative was. People reconstruct their reasons and cannot help it. They remember events.
Make the thing refutable. Write the description as a set of claims that could turn out to be false: this segment buys after an external trigger, evaluates two or three suppliers, decides in under a quarter, and involves the finance function. Then go and check. If nothing in your persona could ever be shown wrong, it is not research, and it will not survive contact with the first customer who does not fit.
Frequently asked questions
How many customer interviews do I need?
For a homogeneous population and a narrow question, a systematic review of 23 empirical tests reports 9 to 17 interviews to cover the range of topics. Understanding them in depth took 16 to 24 in one study. Across several markets or segments, 20 to 40 per site. And a 2024 analysis found true saturation only after 30 to 67.
What is wrong with building a persona in a workshop?
It cannot be wrong. Researchers who tested the method concluded that because personas are fictional, no data can disprove them, which puts them outside the scientific method. A construct that cannot be refuted also cannot inform a decision.
How many attributes can a persona have?
Fewer than you think. Across six real survey datasets, the 99th percentile persona description matched nobody once nine or more attributes were combined, in five of the six. A typical workshop persona carries far more than nine.
Is it true that B2B purchases involve six to ten decision makers?
That figure never carried a published methodology, and it was removed from its publisher's page between 8 and 25 October 2023. The primary measurement it derives from was 5.4 people in 2014. The same publisher now describes a range of 5 to 16 from a survey of 632 buyers.
How do I size a segment without inventing anything?
Use the Census Bureau's Statistics of U.S. Businesses. It gives firm counts, establishment counts, employment and payroll by employment size band, by NAICS sector, by state and county, for free. It will tell you that there are 14,207 manufacturers with 100 to 999 employees in the United States.